You Have the Skills. It's Time to Build the Business That Pays You for Them.

Design Business Pro is a graphic design and web design business coaching program for freelance designers who are done undercharging, done overworking, and ready to finally build a profitable business with confidence.

You didn't get into design to struggle. But somewhere between your first client and right now, the business side of freelancing got complicated — and nobody taught you how to handle it.

That's exactly what we fix here.

You're Good at Design. So Why Does the Business Feel So Hard?

You have real skills. Clients have told you your work is excellent. You get referrals. You stay late to get projects right.

And yet.

You're still quoting rates you're embarrassed by. You're still saying yes to clients who drain you. You're still trading hours for dollars and wondering why the math never quite works out.

You've Googled "how to charge more for web design." You've watched the YouTube videos. You've read the blog posts.

But nothing has actually changed.

Here's what nobody tells you: the gap between where you are and where you want to be isn't a design skills problem. It's a confidence problem. A clarity problem. A positioning problem.

And those are exactly the problems a good graphic design and web design business coach actually solves.

The Designers Who Thrive Aren't More Talented Than You.

They Think Differently About Their Business.

The designers charging $5,000 for a website — while you charge $800 for the same scope — aren't better designers.

They've just figured out three things you haven't been taught yet.

They know exactly who they serve best and how to position themselves as the obvious choice for that client.

They know how to price based on the value they create — not the hours they log.

And they know how to build a client relationship that generates recurring revenue long after the first project ends.

None of this is complicated. None of it requires a marketing degree or a massive social media following.

It requires the right framework, a coach who has actually done it, and the confidence to start acting like the CEO of your own business.

That's what Design Business Pro is built to give you.

I'm Mat Casner:

Your Web Design Business Coach

I'm the Person I Wish I'd Had Knew When I Was Starting Out.

I didn't start as a coach. I started as a graphic designer, then grew into a web designer.

For years I freelanced on the side while working full-time jobs — including a stretch at a large advertising agency in Kansas City where I was managing web and marketing projects for Fortune 500 clients.

Here's the thing that changed everything for me.

The agency was billing my work at $150 an hour. I was charging my own freelance clients $20 to $25 an hour for the same quality of work.

The same skills. The same output. A fraction of the price.

When that finally landed — when I really internalized what that gap meant — I stopped seeing myself as a commodity and started seeing myself as an asset. I raised my rates. I changed how I talked about my work. I changed who I worked with.

And my business changed completely.

I left my corporate cubicle more than 15 years ago and have been running my own full-time design and web agency — Redlogic Communications — ever since. I still take client work today. I'm not a guru who stopped designing a decade ago and now sells courses about it. I'm a practitioner who coaches because I know what works in the real world right now.

For the past decade I've worked with freelance designers all over the world — graphic designers, web designers, brand designers, and other creative professionals — helping them build businesses that are profitable, sustainable, and genuinely enjoyable to run.

My mission is simple: I want to help you own your unique talents, charge what you're worth, and build a business that actually supports your life.

Think like a creative. Act like a CEO.

That's what we do here.

"Before the 8 Weeks Were Over, I Had Made More Money Than I Had in the Entire Previous Year."

I want to tell you about Isaac.

Isaac is a writer and marketing consultant. Smart, talented, genuinely good at what he does.

In the summer of 2022, he sat down with his wife and told her he was done. Done trying to grow his business. Done with the struggle. Done with the dream. He was ready to quit.

That same week, a friend referred him to one of my summits. He almost didn't come.

But something made him give it one last shot.

Here's what Isaac told me afterward:

"There's a lot of gurus out there who are gonna tell you that with their training or course they're gonna turn your business around. But as soon as I started receiving communication from Mat, there was just something different. I could tell he was there to serve."

Isaac came to the summit. Then he enrolled in my 8-week program.

Before the eight weeks were over — before the course even finished — Isaac had made more money in his business than he had in the entire previous year.

The entire previous year.

Not because I handed him a magic formula. Not because I promised him overnight results.

Because we worked through three very specific things together: his mindset about himself and about money, how to package his services around what he actually loves to do, and how to price those packages so he was finally making a real profit.

Three things. And his business transformed.

I'm sharing Isaac's story because I know some of you reading this right now are exactly where he was in the summer of 2022.

Talented. Working hard. Doing everything you know how to do.

But something isn't clicking.

It can work. I've seen it too many times to think otherwise.

What Design Business Pro Actually Teaches You

Most design education teaches you how to design. Design Business Pro teaches you how to run a design business.

There's a difference — and it's the difference between a talented designer who struggles and a confident creative professional who thrives.

Here's what we work on together:

Clarity — Know Exactly What You Offer and Who You Serve Best

Most designers try to serve everyone and end up attracting the wrong clients at the wrong rates. We use a structured framework to help you identify the clients you serve best, the services you love delivering, and the positioning that makes you the obvious choice — not just another option.

Confidence — Charge What You're Worth Without Apologizing for It

Undercharging isn't a pricing problem. It's a confidence and mindset problem. We work through the beliefs that are keeping your rates low and replace them with a value-based pricing approach that reflects what your work actually delivers to a client's business.

Recurring Revenue — Build a Business That Pays You Beyond the First Project

One-time projects keep you on a feast-or-famine treadmill. We help you build recurring revenue through maintenance plans, retainers, and strategic upsells that turn a single client relationship into years of consistent income.

Sales Without the Sleaze — Close Clients Confidently and Authentically

You don't need to be pushy or manipulative to close a sale. You need to know how to have a real conversation about value. We teach you a sales approach that feels natural, builds trust, and converts the right clients — without ever feeling like you're performing.

From "I Was Seriously Considering Quitting" to a Full-Time Design Business She Loves

Sarah was a college instructor teaching graphic design when COVID hit and changed everything.

Fewer teaching jobs. Less respect for her expertise. Almost no control over her time. She felt like "just the help" rather than a valued professional.

When the pandemic forced a reset, a friend asked her to design a book cover — and something clicked. She already had the skills. She built a website and launched a freelance design business.

Then reality hit.

How much do I charge? Hourly or packages? What do I do when a client keeps changing their mind? What if they ask for a refund on work they already approved? How do I break out of feast or famine?

The questions piled up fast. The stress was real. She was seriously considering quitting and going back to a traditional job.

That's when she found Design Business Pro.

"Right away I was like — this is the resource I need. A friendly, encouraging person with a lot of real-world experience. I needed mentorship and practical advice."

In the time she spent working through the program, Sarah describes getting the equivalent of a mini business degree — comparable in practical value to the graduate degree she already held.

She learned how to price her work, package her services, set client expectations, and build a referral-based business.

The results? Her hourly earnings nearly tripled. She stopped wanting to quit. She built a steady flow of referral work. And she's now able to split her week between her design business and her passion for fine art — the exact life she set out to create.

"I had all the skills. It was inside me all along. Mat's encouragement and advice helped bring it out and made it possible for me to build a business that actually supports my life."

She's been running her business full-time for over two years now. She's not looking back.

What You Get Inside Design Business Pro

Design Business Pro combines structured training, live coaching, and a community of working designers — so you get the knowledge, the accountability, and the support to actually implement what you learn.

The Design Business Academy

An 8-week course built specifically for freelance graphic designers and web designers. We cover positioning, pricing, packaging, client management, sales, and recurring revenue — everything design school skipped. You work through it at your pace with lifetime access.

Monthly Group Coaching Calls

Live calls with Mat where you can bring your real business questions, deals you're trying to close, clients you're navigating, and pricing decisions you're wrestling with. Real answers for real situations.

Private Community

A private community of designers who are building serious businesses. Ask questions, share wins, get feedback on proposals, and stay accountable to your goals. No trolls. No fluff. Just working designers helping each other grow.

Guest Expert Trainings

Regular sessions with outside experts covering topics like SEO, content marketing, legal basics for freelancers, and more — so you're getting a well-rounded business education, not just a design education.

Backstage Pass — A Look Inside Mat's Agency

See how a real working design and web agency operates. Real processes, real client communication, real pricing decisions. Not theory. Not what worked in 2010. What works right now.

Access to the Full Training Vault

Every past training, every resource, every template — available the moment you join.

Is Design Business Pro Right for You?

This is for you if...

You're a freelance graphic designer, web designer, or creative professional who already has marketable skills but struggles to price them confidently.

You've been freelancing for at least a year and you're ready to stop treating your business like a side hustle and start running it like a CEO.

You're tired of undercharging, attracting the wrong clients, and trading hours for dollars with nothing left over.

You want a coach who has actually built and run a real design business — not just someone who teaches business theory.

You're willing to do the work. You're not looking for a magic shortcut. You're looking for the right framework, the right support, and the clarity to finally move forward.

This is NOT for you if...

You're looking for a get-rich-quick formula or overnight results.

You're brand new to design with no client experience yet — this program is built for designers who already have skills and need to monetize them better.

You're not willing to examine how you think about your own value. Mindset work is part of this program. If that's not something you're open to, this isn't the right fit.

You want someone to do the work for you. This is a coaching and education program — the results come from your implementation.

Frequently Asked Questions

Is Design Business Pro open right now?

Not at the moment — but doors will open again soon. Join the waitlist below and you'll be the first to know when enrollment opens. Waitlist members also get access to exclusive early-bird pricing.

I'm a graphic designer, not a web designer. Is this still for me?

Absolutely. While many of our strongest students are web designers, the frameworks we teach apply to any creative service business — brand designers, illustrators, print designers, and other creative professionals have all built better businesses through this program. If you sell a creative service, this was built for you.

How much does it cost?

Pricing is shared when enrollment opens. Waitlist members are always offered the best available rate. What we can tell you is that the program is priced to be a genuine investment — not a $27 PDF — because real transformation requires real commitment from both of us.

How much time does it take each week?

The 8-week Academy is designed to be completed in 2 to 3 hours per week. Coaching calls and community engagement are additional but optional. Most students find that the time they invest quickly pays for itself through better pricing and more efficient client management.

I've tried other courses and they didn't work. Why is this different?

Most design business courses are built by people who stopped doing the work years ago. Mat still runs an active design and web agency. The frameworks inside Design Business Pro are tested in the real market — not just in a classroom. And unlike self-paced courses you abandon by week two, the community and coaching structure keeps you accountable.

What if I join and it's not for me?

We offer a 30-day money-back guarantee. Use the training, show up for the calls, engage with the community, and implement what you learn. If you genuinely don't believe it's worth your investment at the end of 30 days, forward your receipt with the subject line "Not For Me" and we'll give you a full refund — no questions asked.

What if I join I'm not sure I'm ready. What's a good first step?and it's not for me?

Download the free 6-Figure D.E.S.I.G.N. Business Blueprint. It's a no-cost resource that walks you through the foundation of building a profitable design business. If it resonates, you'll know you're in the right place.

You Already Have What It Takes.
Let's Build the Business Around It.

Isaac was ready to quit. Sarah was ready to go back to a traditional job.

Neither of them had a skills problem.

They had a business problem — and they needed someone who had already solved it to show them how.

If you're reading this and something in you is saying yes, this is exactly where I am — trust that.

You don't need another year of undercharging. You don't need to figure this out alone. You need a proven framework, a coach who has been in the trenches, and a community of designers who are serious about building something real.

That's Design Business Pro.

Doors aren't open right now — but they will be. Join the waitlist below and be first in line when enrollment opens. Waitlist members get notified first and always receive the best available pricing.

Think like a creative. Act like a CEO.

— Mat Casner, Design Business Pro

Freelance CEO Mat Casner
The Freelance CEO Podcast with Mat Casner
Ep. 17. How I won a new client—with $1.2M budget—with no portfolio and no pitch
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Let me tell you about this story that I had recently. A friend of mine asked me if I had some time to do some work for a friend of his, and he was basically looking for someone to, to help him do some design work, and ha was referring me as a potential solution for him.

So I messaged my friend back and said, sure, I’d love to talk to your friend and, and see what opportunities were there. So he reached out to his friend and his friend contacted me, and we set up a meeting time and I went to his office and I learned something hugely important. This what I assumed was going to be a small job, perhaps maybe a small project. Come to find out that this client was very disenfranchised with their ad agency and was looking to move the work away. I also found out that the budget that this client had was about a hundred thousand dollars a month, you know, roughly equaling 1.2 million per year that they would spend in advertising for their business. And immediately I stepped back in my mind.

And while I love new opportunities that are, that are profitable, I also realize when I’m swimming in a, an ocean that’s way too big for my capacity. And while I love being a freelancer, becoming an agency is not my desire. And so I was starting to feel some, some, maybe some disconnect at the very onset of this meeting. But stay with me because I wanna tell you how this meeting went.

And I’m gonna tell you how I was able to win this client over, even though I am a one man freelancer and have limited time to offer them in terms of replacing their full-time marketing and advertising agency that was doing work for them. So I go in and I sit down and I’m meeting with the client and I’m starting to listen to them, and they’re telling me about the problems that they’re having in the relationship that they have with the advertising agency.

Now, I could have started to tell him about, you know, my qualifications and what I can do, but I didn’t. I sat there and I listened to him and I let him talk to me. And here’s what I heard him say. He was getting frustrated with the fact that this advertising agency was doing very little in terms of creative for them, and it seemed like the creative that they were getting wasn’t great. It wasn’t horrible, but it really wasn’t moving the needle in terms of their marketing. So I’m listening to him and, and I’m hearing him talk about how this frustration is and that they’re not getting good ideas from their marketing agency. So as we’re moving through the meeting a little bit, I’m starting to make some observations that looks like the marketing agency or the advertising agency doesn’t have a very good handle on terms of who the ideal customer is for this client.

And their marketing definitely isn’t speaking to them in a language that resonates. And so when we are kind of about 20 minutes into the, the meeting, I, I still haven’t showed him a resume, I still haven’t showed him a portfolio, and he really doesn’t have anything to go on me based other than a referral from a mutual friend. And he looks at me and he says, what would you do? So this was a, a pivotal moment in the meeting for me because I could take an opportunity to tell him how good of a designer I am and let him know that I could, you know, make his wildest dreams come true. But there was a little voice inside of him that says, you know what, just be honest.

So I listened and I said, you know, here’s what I would do. Number one, it sounds like you’ve got a lot of moving pieces here with this marketing agency, but the one big disconnect that I see is that you have a lot of creative and a lot of advertising going out to an audience that really doesn’t have a lot of definition. And so I ask him a couple of probing questions.

I said, who is a target market that spends a lot of money with you? And he gave me a, a slice of the demographic that he thought was their target market. And I said, well, first off, I said, I think you really need to consider how your marketing is communicating with that group. And the, the art that they were getting, the creative that were getting wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t compelling either. It wasn’t hitting on any of the pain points or, or pushing into buttons that I feel like would’ve been, would’ve been beneficial with that target market. So I offered a couple of suggestions. I said, you know, if you had some art that was targeted toward this group and you were able to put it in, you know, a graphic format that would be pleasing to them and familiar to them. And I said, that would probably be my first step after that. I said, you know, looking at your social, you’ve got a couple of locations here and you’ve got different Facebook pages for each one of them. I said, it just kind of makes sense to me to think that you would consolidate your focus into one channel in Facebook and then promote your different offices as different locations.

And I said, those are a, a couple of things that I would do. And guys, this was me kind of trying to think off the cuff, but from the standpoint of what is his real pain point and what would be some practical ways of addressing those pain points? So I offered him those suggestions and he looked at me and he says, we’ve been paying this advertising agency now for months, and they have given us no ideas. They’ve given us no solutions, and you’re the first person that has given us a path or a roadmap going forward. So I’m just looking at them. And I told him, I said, well, I said, I appreciate that. I said, just so you know,

I’m an independent freelancer and I don’t really have any intention of growing a staff and becoming an agency to the effect that like the one that you have serving you. Now, guys, this was again, another big moment because at that point in time, my honesty was ringing with him and he looked at me and he said, okay, what could you do to help us then?

And I’m like, wow, this is a cool moment. So I said, well, I tell you what, let’s do this. I said, you’ve showed me a couple of example pieces that you’ve had some struggles with. I said, let me take a shot at it. Help me, let me do a couple of these for you and then we’ll see how it goes and then we’ll go from there.

He said, that sounds like a terrific idea. And so we spent the rest of the time talking about marketing and talking about the things that he does in his business to, to help analyze the data that he has. And just he gave me a wealth of information that I could go back and I could build some very targeted creative with and present to him.

Now, what I wanna do is I just wanna share three takeaways from this meeting that helped me get inside in this company with a business owner who is spending 1.2 million a year in advertising revenue.

Okay?

Shut Up and Listen

So here’s the first takeaway. When you walk in, shut up and listen. The reason why they have you there is what you’re there to determine. Find out why you’re there.

Find out what their needs are. Find out what the pain points are that they are dealing with that are causing them to reach out and have this conversation with. I would say resist the urge to come right out and to show your portfolio and let them know how good you are. The fact that a friend of ours referred me, give this client a certain level of trust, so that didn’t really feel like they had to, to go through the complete vetting process before he started sharing with me some of the real struggles that he was having. So be quiet and listen to the client, hear what they’re saying and make mental notes about that. So when I offered him some suggestions, those were suggestions that were coming back to him as a result and answers to his direct pain points that I was hearing him say in the conversation.

So number one, when you get into an opportunity, be quiet and listen to them and really hear what they’re saying.

Be Honest With Your Limitations

Lesson number two, be honest with your limitations. I think sometimes we get into the the mind game when we get with the client that we somehow have to sell ourselves as being this person who can do everything or we can do everything and we have friends that can help us do everything.

All right. I think that kind of makes people nervous when they feel like you’re giving them these promises because they’ve probably been there before and they’ve heard people make promises and they’ve probably watched people fold on those promises. So what I did was I took a totally different perspective. I gave him an answer and response just that was just basically very honest. And the fact that I’m a freelancer and that I work by myself most of the time,

I have a network of friends that I work with in terms of sharing work with from, from time to time. But in no terms am I an agency with a huge workforce that can go out and can conquer big, huge projects. That’s just not the work that I look for. And so I was just being very honest with him in terms of how I communicate my capabilities, but then where my limitations are as well. And I wanted him to be very, very cognizant of that because I don’t want to put myself in a situation where I have to really pull something out of thin air and and make something happen that really isn’t realistic. So the fact that I was honest with them made me feel comfortable continuing the conversation because I knew that I wasn’t over promising and I wasn’t putting myself in a situation where I was going to be regretting it later.

So that’s my second takeaway is just be honest with your limitations.

Work to Gain Your Client’s Trust

So the third and final point that I want to to stress is that when you’re negotiating with a new client, the one thing that you can do help them feel comfortable with you is to gain their trust. Trust is the underlying factor in any sales cycle. And think about it. When you make a purchase yourself, you are basically saying, I trust in this product so much that I’m willing to exchange some money to get this product. And with relationships, and especially in this, the sales meeting that I was having with this client, they were wanting to know that they could trust me and they were wanting to know that they that, that I understood what they were up against and would come alongside them and become a partner that would help them solve their problem.

There was a disconnect with the ad agency that they were working with because they didn’t feel like the ad agency was listening to them. They didn’t feel like the ad agency was giving them suggestions that would help solve the problem that they had in selling to their clients. And so me coming forward and offering some solutions, because I heard him say he was struggling with the connection with the agency,

I was able to build in some trust. Now, what I wanna do is not let you think that because I was sitting there, I was building all this trust with him. There was already trust in the room to begin with because I was coming to him referred from someone else. And I can tell you as a freelancer that my best jobs and my best clients have come from people that have referred me to them.

And that in itself is a huge transfer of trust from from myself to the client that I’m working with because someone else has stepped in and said, Hey, you can trust Mat. Mat would do a good job. And when you’re working with a client, when you’re negotiating with them, you want them to feel like they can trust you and that the work that they’re giving you will be handled and handled well.

Now, I will confess, I’m not the best designer in the world, but one of the things that I do stress, and one of the things that I do strive to do is I do strive to make sure that the people that I’m serving and they understand that I am serving, like I’m a part of their team, and I want that trust level to be there.

And I can tell you that I have clients that have worked with me consistently month over month, year over year. And for those clients, the trust level is very high. And I have a lot of other clients that are in similar situations. I’ve got these long-term clients, they work with me, they spend money with me, and I help them and they trust me.

So trust is such a big, huge part of winning clients, and especially when they’ve got budgets to spend, even small budgets, people’s budgets are important to them and it’s the money they have. And you want to make sure that you go in there and you win the work, making yourself someone that they can trust. All right, so what I wanna do is just recap number one, be quiet and listen when you get in the client meeting. Number two, be honest with your limitations. And number three, share the solution to the problem. So I hope that’s been helpful for you today. The next time you get into a client meeting, I hope that you’ll remember those tips and allow your listening skills and your problem solving schools help you build some trust and win the work with that client.